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Oct. 28, 2025

Hard to Diversify

Don and Tom tackle the timeless topic of diversification — why it’s back in style, why it’s so hard to maintain, and why most investors (and pros) still get it wrong. They walk through how market “leadership” shifts over decades, the global vs. U.S. split, and why comparing your portfolio to the S&P 500 is often a trap. Listener questions cover ETF access at T. Rowe Price and Vanguard, whether to invest or pay down debt, and how the 5% flexible withdrawal rule works in early retirement. Plus, th...
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Oct. 27, 2025

T&R Q&A

Tom Cock and Apella Wealth advisor Roxy Butner team up for a lively listener Q&A episode covering everything from the new wave of penny-stock IPOs to retirement readiness and tax traps. Tom opens with a warning about the surge in risky penny-stock offerings, then the two dive into listener questions about annuity sales pressure at Fidelity, portfolio diversification mistakes, CD taxation myths, Roth conversions, and one standout 21-year-old listener getting her financial life off to a stellar st...
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Oct. 24, 2025

Questions Abound

Don and Tom tackle another full “Q Day,” answering listener questions on Roth fund selection, bond fund gimmicks, real estate returns, California’s odd HSA tax treatment, switching from Vanguard to Avantis, copying politician trades, and whether Vanguard’s Cash Plus account beats its money market fund. The episode mixes practical investing logic with humor, skepticism, and a bit of Don’s plug for his new storytelling podcast, New Tales Told. 0:04 Q Day begins — Don riffs on “Q” words and high-qu...
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Oct. 23, 2025

Now or Later?

Don and Tom revisit the Social Security debate after new Wall Street Journal and New York Times articles challenge long-standing advice to delay claiming. They dismantle clickbait claims that “waiting doesn’t make sense,” highlighting emotional biases, unrealistic investment assumptions, and spousal benefit considerations. The episode also covers whether Social Security counts as an asset, then shifts to listener questions about 529-to-Roth rollovers for graduate school, switching funds in an IR...
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Oct. 22, 2025

Surprising Win

Don and Tom dive into common misconceptions about what’s really been the top-performing asset class over the past five years—spoiler: it’s not the S&P 500. They compare U.S. large-cap growth with international small-cap value, using Larry Swedroe’s data to highlight the importance of global diversification. Listeners call in about estate planning, withdrawal rates in retirement, and portfolio construction. The hosts explain community property rules, flexible withdrawal strategies backed by resea...
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Oct. 21, 2025

Crypto's Crazy

Don and Tom kick off by joking about their “record-breaking” call drought before diving headlong into the week’s biggest speculative loser: crypto. The duo dismantle the mythology around Bitcoin and its countless imitators, comparing the excitement of trading coins to sports betting and reminding listeners that portfolios are for investing, not gambling. They tie the current crypto crash to leverage, insider-like trades, and the same fraud patterns seen in history’s great financial cons—from Jay...
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Oct. 20, 2025

Protect Yourself

Don and Tom tackle a mix of market mania and listener questions, skewering speculative fads like meme stocks, SPACs, private credit ETFs, and covered-call funds. Don opens with a scam text story before the duo dive into the absurdity of “get-rich” products during a record-breaking market. They stress discipline, diversification, and turning off CNBC — repeatedly. Listener questions include Roth conversions in high tax brackets and funding a home purchase without wrecking retirement plans. The sh...
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Oct. 17, 2025

Friday Means...

Don answers six listener questions covering CD ladders vs. bond funds, global diversification for young investors, allocation shifts for early retirees, HSA documentation rules, 529 plan comparisons, and whether Dave Ramsey-style portfolios need bonds. He closes with practical guidance on holding cash for opportunities and a reminder about the value of disciplined, evidence-based investing. 0:10 Friday Q&A intro and how to send in questions 1:51 Are CD ladders a good replacement for bond funds? ...
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Oct. 16, 2025

Income Sources

Don swats a studio bug, then swats down the idea of dividend-driven retirement portfolios. Drawing on Jason Zweig’s interview with Richard Thaler, they explain why retirees should focus on total return—spending from a diversified portfolio rather than chasing yield. They hit Robinhood’s profit model, bid-ask spreads, and the need for automatic-enrollment retirement plans. A listener call leads to a discussion of Social Security timing, debt-free retirement, and (yes) hodgepodge-itis—Don’s term f...
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Oct. 15, 2025

Many Have Millions

Don and Tom open with banter about the weather, baseball playoffs, and studio quirks before diving into what it means to be a “millionaire” today versus in 1890. They explore how much of modern net worth is illiquid, why home equity and retirement funds can trap wealth, and how planning for liquidity and income is crucial. The conversation transitions into a discussion of market volatility, rare earth trade tensions with China, and Brett Arends’ critique of index investing. They counter with his...
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Oct. 14, 2025

Retiring Friends

In this playful and insightful episode, Don and Tom explore how the beloved Friends characters might fare financially if they were retiring today. Using their signature mix of humor and practical investing wisdom, they analyze each character’s fictional career, personality, and spending habits to project their retirement readiness. The second half of the show returns to real-world money matters, answering listener questions about blending withdrawal strategies and fund choices in employer retire...
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Oct. 10, 2025

Friday, Again?

In this extended Friday Q&A episode, Don answers six listener-submitted questions covering a wide range of personal finance and investing topics. He kicks off with a fiery takedown of cryptocurrency as a viable asset class, arguing it’s based on hype and the greater fool theory. Other questions explore whether pensions should count as fixed income in asset allocation, the performance of Dimensional and Avantis funds versus traditional index funds, the pros and cons of Collective Investment Trust...
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Oct. 9, 2025

Nothing Wins

Don and Tom dive into a new Morningstar report showing that tactical allocation funds—those run by “smart” managers who actively shift investments—significantly underperformed simple buy-and-hold index portfolios. They unpack why doing nothing often wins, discuss investor behavior gaps, and revisit the power of staying the course. Listener questions follow on mortgage payoffs, TIAA advisory fees, and adjusting stock/bond splits in retirement. The episode wraps with Don revealing his personal cre...
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Oct. 8, 2025

Fourth Turning?

Don and Tom kick off this episode with a satirical bang—mocking the apocalyptic tone of a MarketWatch article about the “Fourth Turning,” a cyclical doom prophecy claiming America faces a cataclysmic reset every 80–100 years. Citing wars, depressions, and now AI, wealth taxes, and the fall of the dollar, the hosts break down the fatalistic tone, expose the fear-marketing behind it, and reassure listeners that, historically, markets have recovered—and rewarded long-term investors. 0:04 Faux alien...
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Oct. 7, 2025

Another Quarter Done

The show kicks off with a sardonic take on turf wars between delivery drivers—yes, really—before diving into third-quarter market returns, investor behavior, and asset class performance. Don and Tom remind listeners (again) that sticking with a diversified portfolio beats timing markets or following headline noise. Listeners call in about Social Security strategies, inheritance accounts for minors, and what to do with large sums of cash in retirement. The show wraps with a smart look at ETF-to-m...
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Oct. 6, 2025

Just Questions (and Answers)

A lively, unscripted listener Q&A episode with no set topic — just a flood of great questions. Don and Tom tackle everything from inheriting farmland to the hidden cost of medical inflation, tax-efficient short-term investments, Ameriprise conflicts of interest, fund turnover ratios, and a heartfelt tribute to the late Jonathan Clements, a true pioneer of rational investing journalism. Plenty of wit, warmth, and straight talk about money — plus a personal moment of honesty from Tom about life, l...
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Oct. 3, 2025

Copious Questions

In the longest Q&A episode yet, Don answers seven listener questions covering everything from concentrated stock windfalls and early retirement asset allocation to Roth vs. taxable contributions, the real 59½ withdrawal date, the dangers of buffered ETFs, and the reality of home affordability. He stresses the importance of security over speculation, the need for actual retirement planning, and the pitfalls of gimmicky Wall Street products, all while weaving in his trademark skepticism and humor....
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Oct. 2, 2025

A Miracle Plan

Don and Tom tackle Americans’ retirement fears, highlighting a survey where one in five say it would take “a miracle” to retire securely. They stress the importance of planning over wishful thinking, cover the risks of recency bias, taxes, and underestimating longevity, and explain why flexibility—delaying Social Security, working part-time, downsizing, or even using a reverse mortgage—may be essential. Listener questions include a 30%+ ETF return (AVDV), the new rules allowing 529 rollovers to ...
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Oct. 1, 2025

Behavior Prompting

Don and Tom tackle the creeping role of AI in financial advice—highlighting Vanguard’s new “nudges” on its platform—before pivoting into lively listener calls. The show explores the balance between saving and living (including an $800K earner debating a bigger house), the risks of high-yield gimmick ETFs like QQQI, the simplicity of age-based 529 plans, and the murky rules around paying kids into Roth IRAs. Humor, skepticism, and practical guidance keep the conversation grounded, with a side of ...
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Sept. 30, 2025

Clements' Consistent Counsel

Don and Tom open with a tribute to financial writer Jonathan Clements, reflecting on his career and unique investing wisdom. They unpack five of his “pearls,” including saving early, avoiding big mistakes, and living an active, purposeful life. From there, they pivot into critiques of misleading annuity sales cloaked in fiduciary language, highlight changes coming to retirement account catch-up contributions, and tackle listener questions on bond ETFs, ETF vs. mutual fund conversions, CD strateg...
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Sept. 29, 2025

ETF Showdown

Don and Tom tackle the “big three” global equity ETFs—Vanguard VT, Dimensional DFAW, and Avantis AVGE—breaking down their diversification, costs, risk/return assumptions, style tilts (small/value vs large/growth), and geographic/sector weights. They highlight how DFA and Avantis add microcaps and factor tilts that Vanguard’s index omits, why fees are “pennies” but differences in construction matter, and why “rules-based” is more accurate than “active.” Listener questions cover lottery winnings (...
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Sept. 26, 2025

Questions and Critiques

In this Friday Q&A edition of Talking Real Money, Don tackles listener questions ranging from the dangers of options trading and critiques of Dave Ramsey, to building a simple 60/40 portfolio, comparing flat-fee versus AUM advisors, and whether international bonds deserve a spot in a portfolio. Along the way, he mixes in humor, candid pushback, and practical advice while emphasizing clarity, simplicity, and the importance of asking good questions. 0:04 Intro, gratitude for enough listener questi...
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Sept. 25, 2025

Gold vs. Reality

This episode tackles gold mania in its latest surge, debunking its “safe haven” myth with historical returns and practical comparisons to stocks. Don and Tom expose how Wall Street and fund providers exploit the hype, critique Ameriprise and high-yield muni funds, and answer listener questions on target-date funds vs DIY portfolios, HSA withdrawals, and advisor conflicts. The conversation balances humor, skepticism, and blunt warnings about chasing assets after dramatic run-ups. Learn more about...
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Sept. 24, 2025

Caller Danger

A candid hour on consumer self-defense. We open with iOS 26’s unknown-caller screening and a New York Times crime reporter nearly duped by a “Chase Bank” spoof—lesson: don’t trust caller ID, don’t transact with inbound callers, verify via the number on your card or the bank app, and remember spoofed numbers make simple blocking imperfect. Listeners jump in: a Rule of 55 correction (not 72(t)/72(q)), plus a sharp TSP/Roth asset-location play—keep core market cap in TSP, use Roth for small-value t...
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